2007 Season Shows Need for Playoff - Again

Well, week 5 in NCAA football showed me why there needs to be a playoff in College Football.  And as the weeks - and years - add up, it is getting more maddening that there are not enough people together on the issue to get it to happen.

 

Just look at the week 5 turnout for the top 25:

 

#3   OU fell to Colorado

#4   Florida fell to Auburn

#7   Texas fell to Kansas St.

#10 Rutgers fell to Maryland

#13 Clemson fell to Georgia Tech

#21 Penn State fell to Illinois

#22 Alabama fell to Florida State

 

 

Notice that the top 25 teams that were playing lower ranked teams and lost all lost to unranked teams this week, except for #5 West Virginia who lost to #18 South Florida (still an exceptional loss).

 

That means that at least 8 teams will have significantly lower rankings come monday.  I would almost like to see how many teams so far have hit the top 25 and left it so far this season.  I think I can name a few off the top of my head, such as BSU, UCLA, Louisville, Fresno St., Michigan, TCU, Georgia Tech, and Texas A&M. 

 

And I'm sure there are others that I am not thinking of at this moment.

 

And we all know that this has been going on all season.  And don't even talk about Notre Dame.

 

In reality, it is too bad that the teams in the MWC that were ranked at the top - Utah, BYU, and TCU - all stumbled at the beginning of the season.  Had they won those games they lost, they would all have a good chance of being ranked.

 

This season is definately getting interesting.

Tijs

Fwd: ESPN

I tuned in and watched the NFL football game last night on ESPN HD.  I was thrilled to find no scrolling sports ticker at the bottom of the screen and no banner across the top of the screen.  Just one small graphic at the bottom middle of the screen showing the score, time, quarter, and down.  The rest of the screen was filled with a beautiful football game.  On some replays the graphic at the bottom even disappeared.  I see where the BYU game this Saturday is on CSTV.  I guess I won't watch that game if CSTV continues to fill up the screen with a ticker that continually scrolls non stop across the screen with some ridiculous items like, "Breaking News:  Chicago State athletic director James Williams has fired head tennis coach Norm Anderson for undisclosed reasons.  Speculation is that Ben Holbrook will be named the new tennis coach at Chicago State soon".    

Garth

Fwd: OC

Dan Mullen met and married a Salt Lake girl while he was here.  He
probably would take a head job here unless he felt strongly that by
sticking with Meyer he can get a bigger gig somewhere else.  Everybody
should keep their eye on him though.  My son's team is undefeated and
headed for the playoffs.

-Garth

Fwd: OC

Do you think Dan Mullen would be willing to coach us for two years to get a
BCS gig?

 

Bill

Good questions, but I don't know the answers.  I do know that you do not
wait until game day to announce your starting QB.  He needs to know it
is his team and get the reps during the week.  Maybe you withhold the
info from the opposition but the team has to know who the leader is.
Also, we had this discussion last year about putting points on the
board.  On fourth down you always put points on the board and start to
chip away at the score and give the team some confidence especially when
you have the best place kicker in the conference.  Don't change QB's at
half time when you are down 13-0 and the primary problem is OL blocking.

When Florida plays LSU in a couple of weeks it will be Urban Meyer
against Gary Crowton.  Gary is now the OC at LSU and doing a good job.

In answer to some of your questions, who do you think makes these
decisions at Florida?  Now that Notre Dame is off to its worst start in
school history I wonder what their fans who said Meyer's decision to
take the Florida job over their job would make no difference are saying
and thinking now!

 

- Garth


I have a question.



Does the OC decide how the O-line will block?  Does the OC design all
aspects of the play that is to be run?  If the O-line doesn't block
well, who chews out the line coach, the OC or the HC?  Isn't it the HC
who pushes the OC button's, who pushes the other offensive coaches'
buttons, who then push the player's buttons?



Kyle hasn't decided to travel to San Jose State to talk to them to see
how to fix his offense has he?



How could Versteg run such a stagnate offense her but run a good one at
Rutgers?



Any chance that we could get McCoy to leave the pros and be our OC?

 

-Bill


 

UCLA Upset a Confirmed Fluke?

Fair assesment.  I think the players really put themselves at a loss early.  Mistakes made were big ones and affected the momentum of the game (fumbles, personal fouls, etc).  There were a couple questionable coaching calls like the numerous attempts on 4th down conversions when we probably should have kicked field goals.  But despite this I also believe it was the players fault.  They didn't show up to play.  We had good play calling on offense for the most part and we made adjustments on defense second half to stop UNLV's #4 from having a "more spectacular" game.  Defense played their hearts out again, but we lacked on offense and special teams.  Without our decent defense we would have lost 42-0.  They caused turn overs and big plays that gave our "O" several opportunities but we failed to capitalize.  I can't remember the last season we had two opportunites from the 1 yard line to put it in the end zone and failed to do so.  WOW!  My prediction and concern going into this game and the remaineder of the season was the possible and almost innevitable quaterback controversy that would come up.  I didn't think it would happen this soon since Johnson wasn't predicted to play this game.  Instead of having a decent quaterback we have gone to 2 sub par quaterbacks sharing reps in practice.  A very hard decision no doubt for Whit to make.  Funny that as soon as we figure out our running back position our quarterback position goes to pot.  This is why you can't mess around with position competitions during the season.  I feel bad Johnson got injured but a team has to move on.  And if Johnson is going to come back then start him.  The quaterback is the most important element to a football team and he needs all the confidence he can get.  It can't be divided up.  I know BLAH BLAH BLAH.  I'm done.  One more thing.  This has to be classified as the worst game of the year so far.  Not even at Oregon St. or against Air Force did we get shut out.  When was the last time we got shut out? 

 

Let's just hope we can regroup this week. 

 

Eric

UCLA Upset a Confirmed Fluke?

I think it was Bruce who asked if we all thought the game last week was just a fluke.  I think we probably all hesitated to answer...hoping it wasn't and hoping to see similar execution against UNLV.

 

I'll just say a few things:

 

1.  This is the weirdest season in college football I think I have ever seen.  How does a team put the smackdown on a PAC-10 team ranked 11th in the country, who beat BYU the week before, and then lose to a team like UNLV, being completly shut-out of the game?  And things like this are happening around the country.  (How is it that Notre Dame has lost all four so far?)

 

2.  By my calculations, the Ute D has played 6 games worth of football this season.  In each of the losses, it seems like they were on the field the whole game, meaning they have played twice as much as they should have.

 

3.  How could we shut down UCLA's ground game last week, and get destroyed by UNLV's run game this week?

 

4.  UCLA wasn't that bad were they?

 

5.  The UCLA win is now nearly meaningless with a loss like that to UNLV.  I'm glad that game was not on national TV.

 

6.   I will now refrain from even attempting to predict the outcome of the games for the rest of the season.  I have not been right yet.

 

7.   Urban Meyer must have been busy this week.  Either that or someone forgot to call him. 

 

8.   My Dad theorized that maybe SL Mayor Rocky Anderson showed the UCLA team the Salt Lake nightlife and that is why they lost the game.  Maybe Las Vegas Mayor Oscar Goodman got wind of the tactic and used it on us. 

 

9.   Whittingham is racking up some wierd stats.  He defeated the highest ranked non-conference team we have hosted at home, he lost to UNLV for the first time since 1979.  Does anyone know the last time the Utes started the season 1-3?

 

10.   Johnson added nothing to the Utah offense.  Actually, I wonder if he got in the way.  Since he played in this game, I'm almost positive he was in on the reps during practice...which obviously means Grady got half the amount of reps.  In otherwords, the glass was half empty for both quarterbacks, and that's why neither one could show anything.

 

11.  Why did we not use a turn-key player such as "Louie Louie" in those 2 "red-zone" opportunities when we could have changed some momentum in our direction?  (Que Garth's mantra on putting points on the board.  He'll say in all-correctness "an NFL team would have kicked the field goal.")

 

12.  Could we have gift-wrapped the game for UNLV any prettier? 

 

I have to hand it to the coaches though.  I think this loss was purely the players' fault.  Missed tackles, turnovers, penalties, and no offensive execution killed us.

 

I do have to admire the way that Mack and Rogers played as well.  They showed up to play and were the bright spots on an otherwise overshadowed offense.

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Fwd: ESPN Link

Kevin Curtis has been especially quiet.  Maybe he is in Brazil looking for another nice brown piece of meat.

Garth

The group has been rather quiet following a very good win.  Did you think it was a fluke?

 

Bruce

 

Fwd: ESPN Link

Thanks for the link.  Boise State at # 14!  Is there any reason why the MWC should not be adding this team immediately?  Typical that Craig Thompson would screw things up.  Utah at # 28, TCU # 24, and BYU #44.  Nice.  Look at all the teams in BCS conferences that get all that $ that are below these teams.  What a joke and sad commentary on the state of college football.

 

ESPN Link

Here is the link to ESPN's College Team Rankings of the Decade:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2947988

 

The rankings are split up into sections, and you can go to each by clicking on the right side of the page.

ESPN Rankings - Top Teams of the Decade

I found this ESPN ranking of the top 100 or so teams of the last decade in College Football interesting.  It places teams just about where I would expect them to be.

 

One thing I found interesting was just how lucky we were to find a coach who could take us from the lackluster 3 seasons that preceeded Meyer, and in two years be romping on Pittsburg in the Fiesta Bowl.  Just look at the teams that are at #30 through #100.  Many of them have had bad records and bad seasons for many decades.  I didnt' realise, for example, that UNLV has had such a bad time.

 

Also, I found it interesting that UCLA, the team we amazingly ground into the turf last Saturday, was ranked in the spot above us at #27.  Take a look at the statistics.  We had better stats all around, but they still favored the PAC-10 team over us:

 

Ladder 119: Nos. 26-50 (from 1997 to 2006)
RANK	TEAM	RECORD	WIN %	TITLES	BOWL RECORD
26	Georgia Tech	79-46	.632	1 conf.	5-5
The Yellow Jackets have only one 10-victory season since sharing the 1990 national championship with Colorado. Georgia Tech went 10-2 in 1998 and shared the ACC title under former coach George O'Leary. Coach Chan Gailey has a 37-27 record in five seasons, but has been dogged by his team's inability to beat its biggest rivals. Last season's 7-1 mark in ACC games was a breakthrough -- but the Jackets still finished 9-5.
27	UCLA	74-47	.612	2 conf.	3-4
The Bruins came within one victory of playing for the national championship in 1998 -- UCLA lost to Miami 49-45 in the regular-season finale and then lost to Wisconsin 38-31 in the Rose Bowl. UCLA has struggled to find that level of excellence ever since, with only one 10-win campaign in the ensuing eight seasons. The Bruins' biggest obstacle has been crosstown rival USC, which has a 7-1 record against UCLA since 1999.
28	Utah	76-41	.650	3 conf.	6-0
The Utes were the first team from a non-BCS conference to play in a BCS bowl game, finishing 12-0 and beating Pittsburgh in the Fiesta Bowl during the 2004 season. Former coach Urban Meyer parlayed that dream season into a job at Florida. The Utes haven't had the same success under successor Kyle Whittingham, who is 15-10 in two seasons, but they might be poised for another big season in 2007.

 

Interesting isn't it?  6-0 in bowl games, including a BCS win, a Las-Vegas rout of USC, and a great victory over Georgia Tech.  We also have a better winning average, and more conference titles. 

 

Obviously it is hard to get any respect.  That is why I'm hoping that what we saw Saturday was the beginning to some more great things on The Hill. 

 

My pick for this Saturday:  Utah 38 (5 TDs - 1 FG) - UNLV 24 (3 TDs - 1 FG)

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UCLA Dropped From Rankings after Loss to Utah

All,

 

Wow.  I thought that UCLA might still have a chance to be in the Top 25 even after Saturday's blowout by Utah at Rice-Eccles, but they lost out of all of the polls: AP, USA Today, ESPN Power 16, and the ESPNU Fan poll.  Nice to have some payback for last year right.  Also of note, Meyer's Gators made Tenessee drop from the polls after their huge win.  And Louisville dropped from # 9 to # 18.  Looks like we need to play hard these next few weeks and get a few more wins, and then get ready to beat Louisville and drop them from the polls as well. 

By the way, the Utes are still making front page headlines on ESPN.com.  Go get 'em Utes!  (Man, our new uniforms look good up close...but somehow I don't think Olsen would agree!!)

 

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Letting Talent Go

Well said all.  May I just add that I too beleive that recruiting has been a problem at the U?  I have been looking into the recruiting classes and the starting rosters at the U for the past few seasons and i just don't think we have been using the talent weve had to the fullest.  One story I didn't know about, and maybe you older gents may recognize, is that of cornerback Ryan Smith who transferred from the U to Florida in 2006.  Long story short, Urban Meyer called Whit to see if he approved of the transfer.  Meyer said about the call ""I called him and I asked what do you think? He said you do what you've got to do. We have our opinions. He was going to play somewhere though. He was going to 1-AA or try to get eligible right away and he has two years of eligibility left which is kind of a good thing."

 

Smith went on to start for Florida, and is now on the Tennessee Titans.  Just remember that Urban Meyer recruited him and started this guy in six games at the U in 2004.  Why did we "squeeze" him out as it says in the article?  Both coaches (Meyer and Secondary Coach Chuck Heater) wanted him over at Florida.  Wouldn't that signal to you that there is potential there?
 

I've heard people say that Meyer simply didn't recruit and used all of Coach Mac's guys as an excuse for why we have less talent.  Obviously, that is nonesense, as many key players to the 2 year success were brought on by Meyer.  But it seems that, for whatever reason, we've let talent, discipline, and the team as a whole go by the wayside.

 

http://www.gatorcountry.com/football/article/day_3_new_ncaa_rule_works_in_gators_favor/

 

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College Football OFFENSE for Dummies - In the Voice of Big Rick

Well said all!

 

- Van Limburg

 

First...when reading the title of that first book "College Football OFFENSE for Dummies", everyone must hear it as Big Rick would say it.

 

Second, it's frustrating to see the return of mediocrity.  It is unacceptable to me, and should be to all fans, to hear a head coach say to the press that he "doesn't meddle in the offense".  You're the head coach...it is your job to meddle in whatever isn't working.  Obviously the offense isn't working.  We have more ACL injuries than touchdowns this year.  We had this highly touted rank of receivers and we're not seeing it on the field.  I know that the injury to BJ and Asiata really threw us a curve, but that is no excuse.  As has been stated, there is no passion, a lack of discipline, and (I say this with the risk of being kicked down to the bubble) no accountability on this team (can you hear Pony Mendenhall?).

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Kyle's Conference

Kyle said it in the press conference yesterday that coaching evaluations will be done at the end of the season.  He also stated, which is dumbfounding to me, that he "doesn't meddle in the offense."  So basically what Ludwig says and does on offense goes.  Kyle has not control there.  He said he doesn't want to get involved and mess things up.  That says to me he doesn't know what to do on offense even if he did get involved.  Not a good trait as a head coach.  That also shows that he wasn't paying any attention to what Urban was doing while he was here or at any of the meetings, conversations, or camps, including the Fiesta Bowl National Championship game for Florida that Kyle has been involved in.  What is the point of this friendship?  Looks like Urban is getting some good defensive advice but we don't pick anything up.  We are going through the same thing BYU did with Gary Crowten.  He knew offense, but couldn't run a team.  He did well as a coordinator and continues to at Oregon.  Kyle would do the same.  

 

But now at the present what is to be done to salvage this season and get some wins.  If it's money then head coaching change is out of the question.  Cheaper and more efficient now would be to let Ludwig go now.  If this isn't an option either then Kyle needs to check out some books from the library "College Football OFFENSE For Dummies" and "How To Be a Head Coach" this week and then take Ludwig by the balls and say, "This is how we are going to do things."  The responsibility lies with Kyle.  And if he can't get it done then Chris Hill has got to step in. 

 

Just one more thing to add to Kyle's pile is his lack of discipline.  There is none on his team.  The team doesn't have the amount of respect that he needs to lead them to victory.  He is too soft on his players as well as his coaching staff.  Before long he will be Grandpa Whit like Coach Mac.  To confirm this not only was Casteel not repremanded for celebration in the end zone at the Oregon St. game but one of our receivers, Wilson I believe, was charged with a DUI before the Air Force game and still allowed to play.  There are several other universities in the country that would not allow this to happen.  Of all people why Kyle and the U of U.  We have an image of the football team, university, and the state to hold up.  We don't need players like this.  We don't need coaches that don't put their foot down on things like this.  Where was Chris Hill on this issue.  Where is President Young?  Maybe we should ask ourselves "What would Meyer do?"  Ok, just kidding that was a joke to lighten things up.  But really I am disappointed in many aspects.  Truely, "WHAT IS TO BE DONE?"
 

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Agreed

Easy for me to say this, but I will.  I agree with all of your  comments.  OC, OL, R, RB coaches have to change, or we are going to continue to slide from what was a coupld of years ago national prominence.  Dr Young has called for the U to lead the Mountain West in all sports.  To do that will take some hard decisions.  Giving guys some time to find another job, some severance, good references, and a pat on the back is all it will take.  The fan base is most important, and as Kyle has said, "they deserve better."
 
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Kyle and Changes

Back in the old days the U (Bud Jack, Athletic Director & Pres. David Gardner or maybe
it was James Fletcher) put the demand for changes on then Head Coach Bill Meek.
Bill Meek had a friend, Jim LaRue, as Defensive Coordinator (ala Andy Ludwig).  Rather than
make the demanded changes Bill Meek resigned and we ended up with HC Tom
Lovat who went 1-10 the next three years before Wayne Howard arrived.
Things like this can really back fire.  I am glad Hill is there to make
the decision.

Hack Miller

We could hope, but Kyle and Andy are best friends. I wish it would happen but I don't think it likely.  We are stuck. More money won't help.  They don't even know how to fix the sound system in the stadium.

While there may not be a change at the head coach level, do you think that Dr. Hill will go to Kyle and tell him to make changes?  If this season goes the same (or worse) as the last 2 I think Chris Hill will go to Kyle and tell him to make changes.  The problem with that is that Kyle should be the one to see that it isn't working and make the changes himself.  It's a no win situation if Dr. Hill has to be the "coach"

 

Right, but that problem has existed now for the third year and Kyle has not made a change.  He thinks Andy knows his stuff.

Right now I don't care about the head coach, it is the OC, the O line coach, maybe the running backs coach, and who ever is not requiring the wide receivers to block down field.

No matter how bad it gets this year, there will be no changes made at Head Coach. You can count on that.

Giac is scheduled to receive $150,000 per year for the next 5 years.  Kyle is paid $650,000 per year if my info is correct.  I also believe that Kyle's contract is guaranteed for two more years after this one.  So, if he is fired the athletic department will be saddled with an $800,000 bill for the next two years and still will need to pay for their new football and basketball coaches.  Does the U have that kind of money?

 

While no expert, I think the choice is clear:

1.     Ludwig needs to go; this is Versteg and Lee all over again, maybe worse.

2.     Anderson can still be assistant head coach but not the DC.

3.     Kyle needs to take over the defense and call the shots there.  Bronco, Pete Carroll, the Tulsa head coach, and even Belicheck (SP) of the Patriots and more are both HC and DC.

4.     Offensive line coach Dickey, receiver's coach Rodderick (possibly) need to go as well.

5.     Find an OC who has an offensive philosophy and recruit to that philosophy.  Kyle does it on defense, why not on offense?  When defensive players go down he does not change the defense, the same needs to said of the offense.

6.     And unless Urban Freaking Meyers is willing to come back and coach, no more hiring friends.

 

The problem with changing coaches right now is $$.  The U is already set to pay Ray Giacoletti on his contract for several more years and I believe Kyle got a seven year deal going in.  I don't believe the U has the kind of money it takes to buy out coaching contracts and still have the $ to hire a real good proven coach.  If we were Florida or Michigan no problem.  That is the problem with college football, the revenue sharing is not equal or fair.  I want Kyle to succeed.  Maybe a shake up of his staff is what is needed.

 

Kyle

 

Who's a cougar?

 

He's a cougar, need I say more?

It's amazing how far we have fallen so fast.  And it all started when Kyle was named the head coach.  I want him to succeed, and yes, I understand we lost some incredible players.  However, we have the same talent base that everyone else does in this conference (if not better) and what I saw on the field last saturday was a lack of passion, execution, and bottom-line, a lack of coaching.  It seems without a coaching change we won't be able to realize the potential we have.  Frustrating.  Should we have let Kyle go to TDS?

 

Honestly, without serious improvement, I think 2 games to win is a reasonable expectation.

 

 

Do you realize what Michigan, in their "house", coached by Meyer would do to Utah's current team?  Aren't there laws against things like that?  Isn't that a form of Football S&M?

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Fwd: Where do we go from here?

All great points.  We have lost the swagger Meyer brought to the program.  It is gone!  I seriously don't see a game on the schedule that we will likely win.  I'll enjoy the fall afternoons sitting in the stadium however.  If Michigan fires Lloyd Carr and makes a big push for Meyer with an offer he can't refuse, then we will face him next year at Michigan.  Remember, Michigan was a school Meyer had on his short list of places to coach. 

 

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Wow,

I have to agree, all correct.  Although it's hard to lay much of this at Grady's feet. It's not his fault he is a 5^th year freshmen. That too is coaching and given this is only his first start, he did improve in the second half.

 

It surprises me how much of Urban Meyer has been forgotten already.

 

What did you think of the game?

 

My casual observations:

1.       Grady does not read the defense quickly enough.  Took much too long to decide where to throw it, does better on the timed routes such as quick slant where he simply throws.  Can the offense be made simpler for him and still produce points?  Doubtful.

2.       Our offensive line can not block.  At least not run block.  While the running backs are not great, the blocking is not good enough to get very many yards.  This has got to be a coaching problem.

3.       Our wide receivers do not block downfield.  Again, a coaching problem.

4.       What happened to our attacking, blitzing defense? 

5.       Whit said he was most concerned that they could not get that one yard.  I'm concerned that they only scored 3 points in the first half.  I'm concerned that we have no offensive philosophy.  We change our offense radically when we have to put in a new QB?  We have a JC QB that can run the spread but we don't use him because what?  He isn't good enough, or we don't want to burn his red-shirt?  The freshmen they are red-shirting is the heir apparent to Johnson.  Manus will never see the light of day unless Johnson goes down next year and probable not even then.

6.       Coaches silly enough to chase points (read 2 point conversion try) in the middle of the game.  What that said is, either I'm stupid and have never look at the study done over and over again on this subject, or I don't think we can score more than once again in regulation.  Sad.

7.       This is beginning to look like McBride all over again.

8.       Is Kyle too stubborn to change when it is staring him in the face?  Stupidity is doing the same thing over and over and thinking the outcome will change.

9.       Why does Kyle give scholarships to people who can't play the type of football you play?

10.   If we only win four games (USU, UNLV, SDSU, UW/UNM) will Dr. Hill pull the trigger?  Does Kyle get fired or is he forced to re-vamp his coaching staff?

 

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